🤖 Proof of Concept: Carding With AI Agents 🤖
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good guideView attachment 8447Proof of Concept: Carding With AI Agents
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
thxView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
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lolView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
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If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
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View attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
hiView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
Các trình duyệt này giống hệt nhau trong các phiên. Cùng một phiên bản Chrome , cùng một hệ điều hành, cùng một cấu hình, cùng một thứ chết tiệt. Trong khi trình duyệt cá nhân của bạn có dấu vân tay riêng—phông chữ tiện ích mở rộng đã cài đặt, độ phân giải màn hình, v.v.—thì các trình duyệt đám mây này giống như bản sao được sản xuất hàng loạt. Chúng chạy không có giao diện (vô hình) hoặc trong màn hình ảo để giả mạo là trình duyệt thực.
Hệ thống chống gian lận thường đánh dấu hoạt động đáng ngờ dựa trên:
Nhưng khi các tác nhân AI hợp pháp tạo ra chính xác mô hình này ở quy mô lớn, các hệ thống gian lận phải đối mặt với tình thế tiến thoái lưỡng nan: chặn lưu lượng AI và mất đi hoạt động kinh doanh hợp pháp hoặc cho phép nó đi qua và có khả năng mở đường cho gian lận .
- Danh tiếng IP (các IP của trung tâm dữ liệu đáng ngờ)
- Dấu vân tay thiết bị (dấu vân tay giống hệt nhau của nhiều người dùng cho thấy có gian lận)
- Mẫu hành vi (con người không điền biểu mẫu trong 0,5 giây)
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* Văn bản ẩn: không thể trích dẫn. *
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Giống như một nhà tù nơi tất cả tù nhân và lính canh đột nhiên mặc đồng phục giống hệt nhau. Làm sao bạn biết được ai là ai?
Thời đại hoàng kim sắp tới của Agentic Carding
"Nhưng d0c, nếu đúng thế thì tôi có thể lấy một kế hoạch của một tác nhân AI và tấn công Booking và tất cả các trang web khó tấn công khác?" Không nhanh thế đâu bạn. Vẫn còn một yếu tố lớn khiến điều này trở nên bất khả thi ngay bây giờ: đơn giản là vẫn chưa có đủ người sử dụng tác nhân AI .
Hiện tại công nghệ này khá tệ và tốn kém, và chỉ những người đam mê công nghệ mới quan tâm đến nó. Trừ khi OpenAI buộc họ làm như vậy, các công ty không có động lực để đưa vào danh sách trắng và chấp thuận các giao dịch được thực hiện bằng tác nhân AI . Tôi đã tự mình thử nhiều lần và hầu hết các giao dịch vẫn bị từ chối.
Thời kỳ hoàng kim mà chúng ta đang mong đợi chính là thời điểm lý tưởng khi:
Cơ hội này đang đến—có thể trong vòng một năm. Khi các công ty bắt đầu mất hàng triệu đô la do từ chối các giao dịch đại lý AI hợp pháp , họ sẽ phải thích nghi. Họ sẽ bắt đầu đưa các IP đại lý đã biết và dấu vân tay trình duyệt vào danh sách trắng, tạo ra một lỗ hổng lớn mà chúng ta có thể khai thác.
- Có đủ người bình thường sử dụng các tác nhân AI khiến các công ty buộc phải chấp nhận giao dịch của họ
- Các hệ thống chống gian lận vẫn chưa bắt kịp với các phương pháp lấy dấu vân tay và phân biệt giữa việc sử dụng đại lý hợp pháp và gian lận
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Hãy nghĩ theo cách này: Nếu các ngân hàng đột nhiên quyết định rằng mọi người mặc áo sơ mi xanh đều đáng tin cậy, thì bọn tội phạm sẽ làm gì? Tất cả bọn họ sẽ bắt đầu mặc áo sơ mi xanh chết tiệt.
Lỗ hổng thực sự không chỉ là các tác nhân có thể tự động hóa việc quẹt thẻ mà còn là lưu lượng truy cập của các tác nhân hợp pháp tạo ra vỏ bọc cho lưu lượng truy cập của các tác nhân gian lận vì chúng trông giống hệt các hệ thống chống gian lận.
Nơi Cao su gặp Đường
Tôi không phải là thầy bói nên tôi không biết chính xác điều này sẽ diễn ra như thế nào. Có thể đã có những trang web đã ký hợp đồng với OpenAI để phê duyệt trước các giao dịch của tác nhân—điều đó bạn sẽ khám phá thông qua thử nghiệm.
Điều tôi biết là khi các tác nhân này trở nên phổ biến hơn, việc phòng chống gian lận sẽ cần phải chuyển từ phát hiện "con người so với bot" sang phát hiện "ý định tốt so với ý định xấu". Họ sẽ cần phải nhìn xa hơn dấu vân tay kỹ thuật để đến các mô hình trong hành vi và bối cảnh.
Hiện tại, các nền tảng đại lý vẫn còn quá mới và chưa đáng tin cậy để trở thành công cụ thanh toán thẻ đáng tin cậy . Nhưng hãy theo dõi chặt chẽ không gian này—khi việc áp dụng chính thống buộc các công ty phải chấp nhận các giao dịch do đại lý khởi tạo, sẽ có một cơ hội trước khi bảo mật bắt kịp.
Tính đồng nhất của cơ sở hạ tầng đại lý tạo ra một cơn bão hoàn hảo: các giao dịch hợp pháp trông giống hệt các giao dịch gian lận , buộc các công ty phải hạ thấp tiêu chuẩn bảo mật để tránh báo động giả.
Khi ngày đó đến, tôi sẽ ở đây và nói rằng tôi đã nói với bạn rồi. Câu hỏi duy nhất là liệu bạn có sẵn sàng tận dụng nó hay không.
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thank you profView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
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Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
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soo interestingView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.
thanks againView attachment 8447
If youve been reading most of my guides youd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.
And whats more bleeding edge than AI agents? Today we'll dive into what AI agents are their possible relationship with carding and how we might exploit them for more profit.
AI Agents
AI agents are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional bots that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.
Picture this: an AI agent is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator Chinas Manus AI and Replits agent framework are leading this charge.
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they adapt, troubleshoot and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.
The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an AI vision model that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it card a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—thats where this tech is headed.
Architecture and Antifraud
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isnt just the idea that carders can get an AI slave to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on Fiverr to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these AI platforms fundamentally undermines all the tools their antifraud systems use to block transactions.
Let's break down a typical AI agent platform like ChatGPT Operator:
See these platforms run on cloud-based Linux servers with automated Chrome browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like OpenAI or Manus. When you use Operator your request isnt coming from your home IP—its coming from OpenAIs servers in some AWS data center in Virginia.
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of Chrome, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.
Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:
But when legitimate AI agents create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to fraud.
- IP reputation (data center IPs are suspicious)
- Device fingerprinting (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)
- Behavioral patterns (humans dont fill forms in 0.5 seconds)
[THANKS}
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
[/THANKS]
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell whos who?
The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding
"But d0c, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an AI agent and hit Booking and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. Theres still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply arent enough people using AI agents yet.
Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless OpenAI forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using AI agents. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.
The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:
This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate AI agent transactions theyll have to adapt. Theyll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.
- Enough normal people are using AI agents that companies are forced to accept their transactions
- Antifraud systems havent yet caught up with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use
View attachment 8455
Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.
The true vulnerability isnt just that agents can automate carding—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for fraudulent agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.
Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Im not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with OpenAI to pre-approve agent transactions—thats for you to discover through testing.
What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream fraud prevention will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. Theyll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.
For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable carding tools. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.
The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to fraudulent ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.
When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
d0ctrine out.